I'm pretty sure they clearly defined the problem as there being too few voters. That problem leads to voting blocs being able to elect anyone they want if the bloc is large enough, as their bloc can make up more of the voting populace. The solution is either to increase the voting public, or create a voting system that lessens the impact of the bloc. I believe most people have said they'd rather start first with trying to increase voters, and then decide at a later date if any system changes need to be made.

If they had four out of sever representatives withint the ranks of the CSM 6, the nerf that is coming to a cheap ship, and overused doctrine by pvpers, not only by the clusterf, but also any other alliance that would not like to spend a lot of isk. Or maybe wait until their player base had better skills. This nerf may had never happened.

CCP Fozzy is an employee of CCP, it would be a shame for him and his company not to do something because it will affect his current alliance. That would be seen as taking advantage from his part that just because one of the game creators he can have broken mechanics stay broke. So no, do not think of him as a regular player, because he is not. He is responsible to create a game that everyone can enjoy it.

Lol, I do have the mental capacity to be a CSM and I know it, but in no way I am one of them. No idea with whom you are confusing me with, but I am in no way a CSM member. You may be saying it because the points I stated in my comment are true, and you know it.

If the goal of voting reform is to get better representation for a larger cross section of the Eve player base then wouldn't it make more sense to get more people to vote?! Why not make voting a requirement -can't log in until you've cast your vote for CSM...

If people don't vote, if they don't get involved in the election process, then do they deserve to be represented? Seems to me that you're trying to give a voice to people who don't want to speak, and at the same time suppress the groups that want to be involved. You're basically punishing large power blocks (aka Goons) for giving a ****...

The fact that those in the minorities have created the belief of the majority, that the CSM is not anything to do with them. Seems a fairly systemic failure.

The basis of the CSM is to be the representatives of the Whole player base. ATM it is controlled by those minorities, crackpot individuals and those other few who looked into the process.

So I once again come back to the points of player education, the 3 buttons Poetic described and player bought splash ads for the CSM.

Bluntly put, but I believe it is accurate.

Having mulled on this for a few days (I must apologize, but I'm a slow thinker), I want to respond in general to what the problem is and throw in a new idea (supplied to me by mister CCP Veritas (whom is exceptionally brilliant)).

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Anything I'm forgetting?

But doing that rebalance requires a stable foundation to build upon, and the truth is that Heavy Missiles were skewing the balance of everything they touched.

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Once we get Heavy Missiles to some semblance of balance we can begin the work of making sure each individual ship is viable without having to go back and redo our work right away to compensate for a midstream weapon change.

By "random noise" do mean a vote that might not be cast in the direction you would like it to be? Oh no someone who wouldn't normally voted for someone for an arbitrary reason! Say about those "informed" voters...

The scandel isliableto depress voter turnout next year amongst the HI SEC population sadly

This was my frustration with the initial thread on voting reform, the fact that some players like yourself begin with this assumption that I'm here to play political games and not to simply share my thoughts, listen, and learn just like anyone else. The fact is, while many players have their opinions about the CSM, few have actually sat on the council and spoke to CCP in that context. Feel free to ignore my posts if you find that perspective irrelevant, but others might find it useful.

Is there anything tinfoil or inappropriate about a large, caring group of players intelligently articulating themselves and defending their right to a meaningful vote? Of course not. But the fact remains - this narrative of a collective CSM plot to disenfranchise voters and to make sure we elect ourselves next year under Trebor, or the downfall of the Evil Overlord because his minions threw him under the bus when our secret megaplot was exposed - that narrative is tinfoil. It was tinfoil when the situation was addressed as such early in the thread, and it remains a tinfoil narrative today.

I saw all the text.

Nah, I'm here voluntarily. I can certainly understand the reluctance of others to respond, but I'm not afraid of criticism. There's lessons to be learned here and its important to debrief when something goes wrong.

I read it, and didn't quite understand the full implications. To me, if a group of players overvote and the candidate they get is elected, than for each of those players, the outcome they desired is achieved. They vote for a person, they win. Sounds good. I didn't quite see how that constituted disenfranchisement. But many players since than have explained how its unfair for some votes to get transferred, and others don't get transferred, and I absolutely agree with that. Especially since those transferred votes could end up ousting someone who DID get top votes if they overvotes are re-allocated or applied in some form. Its unjust, and I see that now.

I'm not even all that troubled by the fact that Trebor used the term "CSM" because I'm quite capable of explaining myself regardless of whether players want to try to tie me to the proposal as if it were my own personal advice to the public or CCP.

Did Trebor post it internally and ask if we objected to it before posting it publicly? Yes. Did I actually object to it being posted publicly? No. Does that mean that I tacitly agree that voters should be disenfranchised? No, for reasons I just explained and that you acknowledged were reasonable. The only thing I don't understand anymore is why you think I'm telling two different and contradictory stories.

Wait, where in that statement did I say "This proposal is a great idea!" ? I said this was a proposal, not my proposal, and acknowledged that the issue of reduced advantage for voting blocs was a cause for concern.

I explained what I thought Trebor was trying to achieve (making sure that a group didn't stack the CSM with more than their representative percentage of council seats), and than asked more questions because I was trying to understand why everyone was so upset.]

You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that I said consistently through the thread I don't really care if a Goon is elected or grabs the Chair position, and that Goons have been a real asset to the CSM in past years and would likely be an asset again. But you're welcome to continue to try to paint the picture of me conniving and lying to cover up my master plan to destroy Goonpower all you like.

What can I say. You caught me.

And please don't read my previous reply as 'WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A NEW ELECTION SYSTEM' - I'm a reformist, not a revolutionist and while the current election system produces 'A RESULT', most people agree that it is sufficient but not the best system there is.

But I CAN talk about decorating my house before it is built. And talking about changing the election system also brings out peoples' opinion about the current election system.

I understand it could be abused, someone like ricdic could say he repersents explorers just to win the vote, because it would be easier to run against 5 explorers vs 15 militaries.. But if i was given a list of 100 guys today i wouldnt be able to tell x from z..

But if my main concern is business, and now my candidate list is reduced to ten people at least i can hope this person will "look after me." No matter which of the ten i pick, i "got my vote/say" and i'll get a candidate in the end who repersents my interests...

As for voting for people of continents/countries geographic locations, seems silly to me even if a russian or Chinese pretended to be canadian i wouldnt want to vote for them just because they "live here," and ccp wants your passport so it would be hard to lie about your location...

No it doesn't

Vote me for your Null sec representative.

Sorry couldn't resist

Or have you considered I might believe that the current and previous CSMs have not engaged the community as a whole properly.

O the less drama queen way to look at it would be to say that thousands of characters would be eligible as candidates.

But as I said before, you and your associates will just spam the thread if they announce any changes to the voting system, that will make it harder for you to control. That is 100% guaranteed.

Hans, why do you bother to post here if you don't think it's important to communicate with the players?

Simple and i Like this idea. it should encourage more people to actually vote.

However how many will just pick a random character to get the screen over and done with could be an issue. This also doesnt remove the issue large power blocks will have, but then again, i dont think anything will.

Also, even compulsory voting might do the trick in breaking the patterns. As I said previously, and somebody else said also, at the login screen it is the best point to insert a voting popup. Give people one week to see it and choose and we will have informed voters making the best choice for themselves.

At this point I will only state that I got it right on at least the duration and one vote per account.